[swift-evolution] Mailman?

[Ilya Belenkiy]

+1 for using GitHub for discussions. Nobody from Apple is listening right now, but maybe they will consider it later.

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Ilya Belenkiy

> On Dec 15, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Rudolf Adamkovič via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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> +Int.max for using GitHub instead of this mess.
> 
> R+
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 08:46, Chris Aljoudi via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>> On Dec 15, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Chris Lattner <clattner at apple.com <mailto:clattner at apple.com>> wrote:
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>>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Another point that hasn't come up so far: inclusivity.
>>>> 
>>>> Quoting the Code of Conduct section from https://swift.org/community/ <https://swift.org/community/>:
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>>>> A diverse and friendly community will have more great ideas, more unique perspectives, and produce more great code. We will work diligently to make the Swift community welcoming to everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think making the discussion groups more easily accessible, and indexable/searchable, would do a great deal towards this goal. We should strive to include people who don't live in their email clients, and even people who want to contribute anonymously.
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>>>> (Clearly, there are enough people who *do* want to use email that it's important to make sure any proposed solution has good support for email notifications.)
>>> 
>>> I don’t understand this argument.  Email is a pervasive standard, mailman provides an index, and gmane provides an even better one.  How would a web app be “more inclusive" than using something that has been standard for "a long time” and has tons of tools that work with it?
>>> 
>>> -Chris
>>> 
>>> I'm speculating here, and hopefully not just putting my foot in my mouth. I'm not aware of what actual research has been done regarding diversity & online communities — if someone is, please chime in. If I'm totally wrong, apologies.
>>> 
>>> There are a couple things I'd guess are beneficial:
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>>> - Easier signup; easier anonymity (authentication provided by a number of common external services; no need for exposing an email address)
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>> For what it's worth, I think having an email address being sufficient vastly lowers the friction of getting involved.
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>> The idea of "yet another account" (or pseudo-account) with yet another, separate interface for checking and keeping up with communication just seems like extra cumber in my opinion, and I humbly fail to conceive of any reason it'd make anyone's life easier.
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>> -Chris
>> https://chrismatic.io/ <https://chrismatic.io/>
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>>> - Better support for moderation (you can't take back emails)
>>> 
>>> Jacob
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