<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" applecontenteditable="true"><div class="">Ah, we definitely will do that in Swift 4 mode no matter what approach is chosen here, since Swift 4 Is The Future. We also currently do that but in reverse for Swift 3 mode, using `@available(swift, introduced: 4)`.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jordan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 20, 2017, at 17:09, Philippe Hausler <<a href="mailto:phausler@apple.com" class="">phausler@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I see your conundrum here! Thats definitely a gnarly issue - I would say the preferred way seems much more to the C name of the symbol, but that does have a problem that might be possible. In your example the swift 4 name was Notification.Identifier, that would mean that it is possible for a developer to use then the old name somehow. Is this something we should watch out for? Specifically I am more so interested if it is something we should watch out for overlay development.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Per your idea about the type alias, shouldn’t we have an effective</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@availability(swift, obsoleted: 4.0)</div><div class="">typealias NSNotification.Name = Notification.Identifier</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To prevent source compatibility issues?<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 20, 2017, at 16:55, Jordan Rose via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" applecontenteditable="true"><div class="">TLDR: Should we just always import C/ObjC types under their Swift 4 names, and use typealiases in Swift 3 mode?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">---</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Hi, swift-dev. As my recent PRs have probably indicated, I've been working on the problems that can come up when mixing Swift 3 and Swift 4 code. Most of these problems have to do with C/ObjC APIs that might present themselves differently in Swift 3 and Swift 4, using the "API notes" feature in our downstream branch of Clang, and a good subset of these problems have to do with <b class="">types getting renamed</b>. (This includes being "renamed" into a member, such as NSNotificationName becoming (NS)Notification.Name in Swift.)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What's the problem? Well, there are a few. First of all, an API defined in terms of the Swift 3 name should still be callable in Swift 4. As an example, let's pretend NSNotification.Name was going to be renamed NSNotification.Identifier in Swift 4.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">// Swift 3 library</div><div class="">public func postTestNotification(named name: NSNotification.Name) { … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">// Swift 4 app</div><div class="">let id: Notification.Identifier = …</div><div class="">postTestNotification(named: id) // should work</div></blockquote><br class=""><div class="">This means the reference to "NSNotification.Name" in the library's swiftmodule needs to still be resolvable. This isn't too bad if we <b class="">leave behind a typealias</b> for 'NSNotification.Name'. I have a reasonable (but too broad) implementation at <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/8737" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/8737</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That just leads us to another problem, though: because Swift functions can be overloaded, the symbol name includes the type, and <i class="">the type has changed.</i> The Swift 3 library exposes a symbol '_T03Lib20postTestNotificationySo14<u class="">NSNotification</u>C4<u class="">Name</u>V5named_tF', but the Swift 4 client expects '_T03Lib20postTestNotificationySo14<u class="">NSNotification</u>C10<u class="">Identifier</u>V5named_tF'.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My planned approach to combat this was to <b class="">use the C name of the type in the mangling</b>, producing '_T03Lib20postTestNotificationySo18<u class="">NSNotificationName</u>a5named_tF'. This is prototyped in <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/8871" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/8871</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At this point Slava pointed out I was chasing down a lot of issues when there's a much simpler solution for Swift 4: when importing types, <b class="">always use the Swift 4 name</b>, and use typealiases to handle Swift 3 compatibility. This defines both of the previous issues away, as well as any more that I just haven't thought of yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are some downsides:</div><div class="">- We currently keep people from using Swift 4 names in Swift 3 code, and we wouldn't be able to do that, since the actual declaration of the type always needs to be available.</div><div class="">- We'd probably want to tweak the "aka" printing in diagnostics to not look through these typealiases. That's not hard, though.</div><div class="">- We can't <i class="">keep</i> doing this once we have ABI stability. Hopefully framework owners aren't going to continue changing Swift names of types, but we'll probably need to implement my "C name in the mangling" plan anyway, just in case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What do people think?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jordan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>