<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Chris Bieneman via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Jordan Rose via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">Hi, Chris. I’m a bit confused by these changes. Swift’s master-next isn’t paired with upstream-with-swift; it’s paired with stable-next, which is resync’d to upstream-with-swift on a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">fairly</i> regular cadence. Have you discussed this with the “merge czars” on the Swift side, who maintain master-next and stable-next?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This has been discussed with the “merge czars”, and we may end up creating a stable-next branch, but Bob Wilson suggested that they were considering changes to the merge process that would eliminate the need for that branch.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes, I sent a proposal to swift-dev about this on Dec. 7. The feedback was positive so we are moving forward with this plan. I’ll reply on that other thread with an update on the status.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“upstream-with-trunk” is redundant; the “upstream” referred to in “upstream-with-swift”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">is</i> LLVM trunk. “upstream-plus-swift-support” might have been a better name for the LLVM branch.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I mis-wrote that. It is “upstream-with-<i class="">swift</i>” not trunk. The LLDB “upstream” branch will be going away because it is unnecessary to maintain a branch that matches<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://llvm.org/" class="">LLVM.org</a>.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What happens on the LLDB “stable" branch? No development happens on LLVM or Clang’s “stable” branch; they’re essentially just aliases for the latest release branch. Does the LLDB “stable” branch build against Swift master or Swift’s latest release branch?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">LLDB’s stable branch will be maintained in exactly the same way LLVM & Clang’s stable branches are. So it is currently identical to the swift-4.0-branch.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When I change something on Swift master that affects LLDB, where do I send a pull request going forward? It would be very painful for Swift developers to have a master-next/stable-next build set up just to submit changes to LLDB; today, most Swift developers don’t even need to think about master-next unless something breaks.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Patches to LLDB for swift-related functionality should go into the most current release branch, in the same way we handle LLVM & Clang changes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Concerned,</div><div class="">Jordan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:50, Chris Bieneman via swift-lldb-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-lldb-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-lldb-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hello Swift-Dev and Swift-LLDB-Dev,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Over the last couple weeks we’ve been working on some changes to the branch management strategy for the Swift-LLDB repository. The goal is to have LLDB more closely align with the other projects forked from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://llvm.org/" class="">LLVM.org</a>. We believe that making this change will simplify the contribution process for LLDB’s Swift support.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To this end, we are making the following changes:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">LLDB has gained an upstream-with-trunk branch which will be auto-merged from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://llvm.org/" class="">LLVM.org</a>’s LLDB/trunk. This branch will contain the best of both worlds. The latest and greatest from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://llvm.org/" class="">LLVM.org</a>, and Swift support. This branch will pair to LLVM & Clang’s upstream-with-swift branches and Swift’s master-next.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">LLDB has also gained a stable branch which will behave the same way as the LLVM & Clang stable branches, and should be used for most Swift compiler development. Additionally we have made the swift-lldb/stable branch the default branch on the GitHub repository, which matches the behavior of LLVM & Clang.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">LLDB’s master and master-next branches will be going away. Later today we will lock the branches, and in a few days we’ll delete them. For most users you’ll want to migrate from Swift-LLDB/master to Swift-LLDB/stable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The new branches are already created, and the tooling will be coming online over the next few days. Additionally, the Swift contributing page (<a href="https://swift.org/contributing/#llvm-and-swift" class="">https://swift.org/contributing/#llvm-and-swift</a>) has been updated to reflect the alignment of the LLDB process with the other<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://llvm.org/" class="">LLVM.org</a> projects.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have any questions about the new process or the transition please let me know.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you,</div><div class="">-Chris</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-lldb-dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-lldb-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-lldb-dev@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-lldb-dev" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-lldb-dev</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-dev mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-dev</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>