<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 6, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Jordan Rose <<a href="mailto:jordan_rose@apple.com" class="">jordan_rose@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" applecontenteditable="true"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 6, 2017, at 11:25, Joe Groff via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 6, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Michael Gottesman <<a href="mailto:mgottesman@apple.com" class="">mgottesman@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Here is my suggestion:<br class=""><br class="">1. We assume by default the leaking case.<br class="">2. We change noreturn functions from C to maybe have a special semantic tag on them that says that cleanups should occur before them (i.e. UIApplicationMain).<br class=""></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm not sure what you mean by this. Functions from C exist in both groups, and I don't see why one assumption is better than the other.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">I feel that "clean up before" is the safer ground case, and if we do any work to whitelist a group, it should be for the common "leakable" noreturns, like exit/_exit/abort/fatalError. That way, we momentarily burn some pointless cycles in the case we get it "wrong" rather than permanently leak memory.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't like this because of the reverse issue: under -Onone, you may want to pop back up the stack in the debugger and see what values you had, and they won't be available. It's almost always possible to get things released <i class="">sooner;</i> usually more awkward to get them to stay alive.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>On the other hand, this is safe to do in the short term. We can special case asserts. One thing to consider though is if this should be provided to users. If not, we can just use semantics. Otherwise, we would need to discuss how to surface this at the language level.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Michael</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" applecontenteditable="true"><br class=""><div class="">Jordan</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>