<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Linux smoke test builds with new preset (<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">buildbot_linux,smoketest) and it </span>takes 39mins compare to 1hr 4min.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/5378" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/5378</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, </div><div class="">Mishal Shah</div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Jordan Rose via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:17, Dave Abrahams via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">on Wed Oct 19 2016, Jordan Rose <<a href="http://swift-dev-at-swift.org" class="">swift-dev-AT-swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:44, Dave Abrahams via swift-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">on Wed Oct 19 2016, Dave Abrahams <<a href="http://swift-dev-at-swift.org" class="">swift-dev-AT-swift.org</a> <<a href="http://swift-dev-at-swift.org/" class="">http://swift-dev-at-swift.org/</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">It still seems like, for a smoke test, we're doing way too much work.<br class="">This appears to be much more than what I get from build-script -t when<br class="">I run tests locally. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the intended role of<br class="">our smoke tests, but since nobody is correcting me, I'm betting not.<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">Even smoke tests should run the validation tests…<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">What's the point of distinguishing validation from other tests if even<br class="">the smoke tests run them?<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I think the validation tests are tests that compiler developers don’t bother running locally before they move to a PR. I’d be very concerned about landing changes in master without having run the validation tests—that would get us back to the days of consistent failures because someone forgot to update compiler_crashers.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Someone wrote to me privately:<br class=""><br class="">"buildbot_linux_1404" preset used in Linux smoke test contains<br class="">"--long-test".<br class=""><br class="">This seems wrong to me. Can we fix it?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">…but I could see "long tests" going either way.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Well, what is “smoke” supposed to mean? If it requires running<br class="">validation tests and maybe even long tests, what is the “smoke test”<br class="">distinction *for*?<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">It only builds and runs one platform per builder (no iOS/watchOS/tvOS), and doesn’t necessarily build and test all the downstream projects.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I agree that if we are to have something called “smoke test”, 40 minutes is too long.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; 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