<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">No, we cannot encode things "non-mangled but with the namespace". For any type other than top-level non-generic class types, using a non-mangled name is not unique. The only correct answer for arbitrary classes is to use mangled names, or something that maps one-to-one with mangled names.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now, Foundation classes are <i class="">not</i> arbitrary classes, but then I don't see why we'd need to use mangled names for those. We can just use the plain old Objective-C names that the OS X classes use today.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jordan</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:16, Philippe Hausler via swift-corelibs-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">To clarify the goals: I think it is reasonable for us to have a goal to be able to encode/decode archives from foreign targets; e.g. linux encodes an archive and mac os x decodes or iOS encodes and linux decodes. This will allow for server architecture to transmit binary archives across the wire. This will mean that we will want to have the encoded class names from the application scope to be encoded as the non mangled name but with the namespace. However this presents a problem; Foundation will have a namespace which will need to be inferred both for encoding and decoding. Thankfully there may be a reasonable way to approach this;</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">public class func classNameForClass(cls: AnyClass) -> String?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">public class func setClassName(codedName: String?, forClass cls: AnyClass)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">These methods can be used to allow for translation of classes by registering the appropriate classes for a “shortened” name that drops the Foundation/SwiftFoundation namespace prefix during encoding.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">On Dec 22, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Luke Howard via swift-corelibs-dev <<a href="mailto:swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org" class="">swift-corelibs-dev@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 22 Dec 2015, at 5:50 AM, Jordan Rose <<a href="mailto:jordan_rose@apple.com" class="">jordan_rose@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">IMHO on Linux NSKeyedArchiver should always use mangled names. If we want cross-platform archives, we should set up standard substitutions, but given that Swift classes exposed to Objective-C are archived with their full names it doesn't make sense to use "half the name" in the archive.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">You mean namespaced but unmangled yes? If so I agree.<br class=""><br class="">BTW I found a couple of small CF nits:<br class=""><br class="">* in CFDictionaryGetKeysAndValues(), keybuf and valuebuf are transposed in the call to CF_SWIFT_FUNCDISPATCHV(NSDictionary.getObjects())<br class=""><br class="">* _CFSwiftDictionaryGetKeysAndValues() does not handle keybuf or valbuf being NULL (either of which are valid when calling CFDictionaryGetKeysAndValues())<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; 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